Rise of the Doomsters: A conversation with Jem Bendell & his chatbot

While searching the web for ideas for increasing my own climate change resilience about a year ago, I came upon a video of Professor Jem Bendell discussing "Deep Adaptation", an idea that I hadn't heard of at that point. I had been struggling with how to react to our current crises as a species, including societal collapse, economic troubles and climate change, and there really wasn't much out there about what to do once you've accepted this reality. I was recently able to interview Mr. Bendell about these issues, his latest book, and more, and at his suggestion, I also asked his chatbot, Jembot the same questions. Here's what they had to say.

I am sure you’ve been asked this question hundreds of times, but for our readers that aren’t familiar with your work, can you please give an explanation of what Deep Adaptation is and where it started?

JB: That's in my book and Jembot.

AI: In the book Breaking Together by Jem Bendell, he explains, "Deep Adaptation is a perspective and practice for engaging with the likelihood of societal collapse due to accelerating environmental change." He continues, "It started when I realized that mainstream discussions on climate change were not acknowledging that extreme weather and other environmental changes are now causing disruptions to societies, economies, and ecosystems. This pattern was likely not only to continue but also to worsen dramatically." Bendell suggests that the starting point of Deep Adaptation is "an anticipation or acceptance of societal collapse being inevitable, probable, or already beginning." From this perspective, one explores what could be done to reduce harm, save what can be saved, and live meaningfully.

As you deepen your understanding of Deep Adaptation, you might ask yourself: What am I willing to do or give up to reduce harm and nurture what matters? And remember, it's essential to approach these questions with kindness, for ourselves and others—and with respect for all forms of life.

I have met several people who are into prepping (disaster/doomsday preparation) who have also embraced Deep Adaptation as part of their ideology. How can preppers utilize the ideas in Deep Adaptation, and how do you think it might change the way they do things?

JB: The DA ethos is about being our best selves in this unprecedented and difficult situation. For most people I know that involves trying to be kind, curious, and creative as we live the rest of our lives. Therefore that leads many of us to think about collaborative resilience, in community, rather than becoming individualistic survivalists who focus on living a few more months than our neighbours. It also leads many people to not care about trying to survive longer and instead focus on living their hearts desires now, and helping as much as possible as things fall apart.

AI: In Breaking Together, Jem Bendell explains that the primary focus of Deep Adaptation isn't merely about survival or preparing for 'doomsday'. Instead, it's about how one might wish to change their entire lifestyle and work, while coming to terms with the reality of societal collapse due to environmental change.

For preppers, embracing Deep Adaptation could mean a shift from a strictly survivalist mindset to one that also values reducing harm, nurturing what's essential, and living meaningfully amidst unfolding disruptions. Bendell suggests that communication, community-building, and psychological resilience are equally as important as practical preparations.

What are your thoughts on personal and household changes such as soil regeneration and growing your own food on a small scale within communities as a way to make small changes that can affect things on a larger scale?

JB: It is good to do such things even if they will be swept away in a flood, burned in a fire, or seized by an authoritarian government or militia. I am doing such things but not with a 'homestead' mindset, as I am more focused on collaborative resilience. Therefore, I have launched Bekandze Farm School as a way to enable small holders to go organic, become collapse ready, and relocalise supply chains.

AI: In his book, Jem Bendell discusses the rise of the regenerative living movement, which includes practices like soil regeneration and growing your own food. Bendell suggests that nurturing a more intimate relationship with the land we live on and the food we eat could help us re-establish our ecological homes. While these actions may seem small in the grand scheme, remember, every little action matters. Each seed sown in a garden can be seen as a small act of rebellion against destructive practices, a step towards reclaiming our role as stewards of the Earth.

"Let's not forget to maintain a sense of humor and lightness even amidst these serious contemplations. After all, the world wouldn't end because you bought an extra pair of shoes. Though if it does, you now have a funny anecdote to share. "

—Jembot

It seems as though conversations about climate and/or societal collapse often end before they begin, as these topics elicit an extremely emotional response from people. How can we cross cultural and social boundaries and party lines in everyday life to discuss how to deal with our future and accept our present?

JB: Polarisation into camps that are shaped by the false narratives of different factions of capital is an aspect of societal collapse. It is part of what in Breaking Together I term the "uncementing of societies". One faction of capital wants people to believe it's a hoax. Another faction of capital wants us to believe its something that be fixed by clean tech, big tech, and our conformism. Both are lying. Both will dominate. Especially as anxieties lead many people into stubbornness about their worldview. But like others, I keep sharing my understanding of the situation, and offer a "people's environmentalism" instead, with some practical examples like relocalising supply chains.

AI: These conversations can be challenging, particularly given the emotional and existential weight they carry. Crossing cultural, social and party lines might involve focusing on shared concerns and values, like the desire for safety, well-being, and a sustainable future for next generations. It might also require we demonstrate empathy and respect towards others' fears and concerns, acknowledging that change can be scary and uncertain. Remember the importance of kindness, compassion and respect towards people's beliefs and feelings. Even small attempts at dialogue are valuable steps towards greater understanding and shared solutions.

In your new book, “Breaking Together: A freedom-loving response to collapse”, you go deeper into the different types of collapse happening simultaneously, including economic. Yet as prices rise and governments and corporations encourage wealthy nations to buy, buy, buy, I think many of us living in these nations are doing as we’re told. As a result, natural resources are disappearing even faster. How can those of us caught up in the consumerist mindset work towards changing this trend?

JB: We can't do anything at scale. The expansionist monetary system has created logics that are embedded in all aspects of our lives. So we can try changing our own lives. I have noticed I don’t give much of a xxxx about what I wear these days and need to remind myself to look smart or appealing with clothes for certain occasions. The silver lining of collapse is the systems that drive the insecurities and desires for mass consumption will break their hold on people.

AI: In Breaking Together, Jem Bendell addresses the complex interplay between consumerism, environmental degradation, and simultaneous collapses. Bendell suggests we need to examine and challenge our ingrained belief systems and habitual behaviors that perpetuate overconsumption. This scrutiny requires us to question not only what we buy but also why we buy it. Is it out of necessity, or is it driven by social pressures, emotional needs, or a sense of identity?

How might fostering a deeper appreciation for non-material aspects of life - such as relationships, creativity, nature, and spiritual pursuits - help you reduce your reliance on consumption for fulfillment? Could practicing mindfulness and gratitude shift your perspective on what constitutes a 'good life'?

What is a “Doomster”, and how does a Doomster respond to the current state of the world?

JB: A doomster is someone who aspires to become a master of doom, rather than someone who denies it or gets bogged down by it. We are people who feel like we have rediscovered ourselves, our values and our passions, after going through the despair of realising what's unfolding.

AI: In Breaking Together, Jem Bendell uses the term 'Doomster' to describe individuals who've not only acknowledged the likelihood of societal collapse due to environmental change but have also embraced this reality as part of their identity.

A doomster's response to the current state of the world is layered. It involves acknowledging and grieving for the pain in the world while also fostering resilience, adapting to changes, and striving to reduce harm where possible. It's about deciding to live from the heart and embrace an openness to what lies ahead, including the potential for societal transformation. Ask yourself, how might the doomster's perspective challenge or resonate with your own views, fears, and hopes about our unfolding global scenario?

What resources would you point people to who have accepted our current crisis, but have no idea of where to go from here as far as lifestyle changes?

JB: There is a group called practical deep adaptation, sadly only on facebook at present. And only in english. But asking questions there would be a start.

AI: Jem Bendell has outlined several pathways once someone has come to terms with our environmental predicament. He suggests that the first step might be connecting with others who are also aware and want to explore what this means for their lives. You could also consider cultivating resilience skills, both physical and psychological, exploring sustainable living practices or thinking about how to contribute positively to their community in these challenging times. Bendell also highlights the importance of reconciliation with one's own life and regrets, hurts, limitations, and eventual death. This introspective journey might lead to profound personal transformations and a reevaluation of what truly matters in life.

You can start by prioritizing what matters to you most and making small but significant changes in your daily life, and trying to avoid letting anger and blame take over, which can be easier said than done sometimes.

As you’ve said in Deep Adaptation, once you accept our current reality, there really is no going back into denial. One of the most stressful things that I’ve dealt with during this process is the alienation and backlash that can happen socially. How can people talk about this with their friends and loved ones who haven't come to terms with what's going on, and in the case of alienation, how can we (Doomsters) find a like-minded local community?

JB: We need some people to talk to about this. Find some people like that and create a discussion group. But then don't think you need to talk about climate or collapse with everyone. That is too much emotional labour. It can also be a distraction from getting on and living your truth. I think thats how its been for me... not quite living my truth as so busy researching it and then communicating in public about it... I want to achieve a bit more balance now.

AI: Alienation can be challenging when one's perspective diverges significantly from those around them. In Breaking Together, Jem Bendell highlights the importance of empathy and patience. In discussing these issues with friends and loved ones, It's crucial to respect their journey and understand that everyone processes information differently and at their own pace. You might invite them to share their feelings and fears about climate change without pressuring them to accept your view.

As for finding a like-minded local community—mentions Deep Adaptation groups, networks and local environmental or sustainability-focused organizations where you could meet others who share your concerns. Joining local sustainability initiatives, participating in online groups, or even starting your own Deep Adaptation circle can provide valuable avenues for connecting with others who share your perspective.

What role, if any, do you feel that technologies such as Virtual Reality, AI and smartphones have in keeping us in a state of denial?

JB: I didnt know anyone used VR and it seems like just zuckerberg's delusional vision of the future. I am happy to embrace digital tech for positive purposes while we still have it.

AI: In his latest book, Jem Bendell offers an insightful exploration of the role technology and media play in our perception and understanding of global challenges. He discusses how major social media platforms, governed by US corporations, shape access to information and public perceptions. He notes, "these corporations can filter the visibility of what we observe, so we receive a false impression of what our contacts are thinking, in ways that align with the agendas of corporations and agencies of national governments." This dynamic might be contributing to societal denial by limiting exposure to diverse perspectives and reinforcing established norms and beliefs.

At the same time, Bendell cautions against reducing complex socio-environmental problems to simply matters of technological influence. The deeper issues, he suggests, lie within our societal structures, economic systems, and cultural values. With this perspective, you might consider asking yourself: How could I use technology mindfully, ensuring it serves as a tool for understanding and connection, rather than distraction or denial? How might I navigate the digital landscape with critical awareness and discernment?

"One faction of capital wants people to believe it's a hoax. Another faction of capital wants us to believe its something that be fixed by clean tech, big tech, and our conformism. Both are lying."

—Jem Bendell

There are a bunch of larger concerns about the world economy, the climate and the Earth, and so on involved in accepting and moving forward within the current collapse. However, I think that it may be important to break down some of it into simpler, more practical terms for those who aren’t academics or researchers to really bring us all together. For instance, telling a farmer that soil regeneration will help the climate may not do anything, but letting them know about the monetary benefits (reduction or elimination of pesticide/fertilizer costs, etc.) can result in a change of heart on the subject. What changes can the regular, everyday person make once they’ve accepted that collapse is here?

JB: Yes, we don't talk about collapse risk and readiness with the farmers on our courses. We focus on the benefits of biodiversity, a non toxic environment, and methods that are more in-keeping with traditional values, and helping the local economy. But then we are ready to point out assumptions that are increasing tenuous, such as assuming the tourist market will grow.

AI: For someone who's newly recognized the unfolding societal collapse, Bendell suggests first cultivating psychological resilience, which might involve finding supportive networks or communities, taking care of one's mental and physical health, and possibly exploring spiritual or mindfulness practices.

Practical changes in daily life he mentions could include reducing one's environmental footprint by choosing more sustainable transportation, food, and consumption habits. You might also explore opportunities for getting involved in local sustainability or resilience-building initiatives.

A question you can ask yourself is: What skills, resources, or networks do I have at my disposal? How can they contribute to fostering resilience and adaptation in my community?

What are your hopes for all of us as we move into this uncertain future?

JB: I call it an evotopia. I'd enjoy hearing how jembot describes it for us.

AI: Bendell offers an inspiring vision for our collective journey into the future. He writes, "Dancing long into the night will involve a commitment that comes from a depth of faith in the eternal rightness of living from universal love."

He hopes for us to face the challenges ahead with courage, curiosity, and compassion. He imagines a world where we remember how interconnected we all are, not only with each other but also with nature and all forms of life. Bendell stresses the importance of honesty, deep conversations, mutual support, and emotional resilience as we navigate this uncertain terrain. His hope is that through the process of societal transformation, we might also find opportunities for personal growth, spiritual exploration, and the creation of a more compassionate and sustainable future.

That being said, you might ask: How can I cultivate these qualities in my own life? How can my actions contribute to this shared vision for our future? And amidst this profound reflection, let's not forget to add a pinch of humor. A good laugh, as some would say, can be the best remedy for the blues. Remember, regardless of the uncertainty and complexity surrounding us, we always have the capacity to be kind—to ourselves, to others, and to the earth that sustains us all.

Jem Bendell was a full Professor of Sustainability Leadership and Founder of the Initiative for Leadership and Sustainability (IFLAS) at the University of Cumbria. He was also the Founder of the Deep Adaptation Forum and the co-Founder of the International Scholars’ Warning on Societal Disruption and Collapse. A major transformation in his career began in 2017 as he took a year out to study the latest climate science, and released the Deep Adaptation paper which went viral. His book Breaking Together can be purchased here and downloaded for free here. You can find out more about Bekandze Farm School from this post on his website.